tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post8982290287068282188..comments2024-02-26T02:54:12.743-05:00Comments on How to Paint Your Panda: Men And Women: Similarities Or Differences?Alexis Delanoirhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-34830365615142466252015-11-15T12:29:38.943-05:002015-11-15T12:29:38.943-05:00Randie,
I don't know how the hell you have th...Randie,<br /><br />I don't know how the hell you have the time to write out 36 god damn comments, but I can't let them through. Most are essentially spam, and we can't let you hog up this whole page. Be reasonable and stick to concise writing.Gastonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02604409381534111646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-75232253856885833942015-08-27T14:50:15.775-04:002015-08-27T14:50:15.775-04:00Thanks for your input, Abena. I can recognize a fe...Thanks for your input, Abena. I can recognize a few problems with your contentions however.<br /><br />"I am still not sold on Hyde’s gender similarities hypothesis because from a biological standpoint the components of a male cell differ from that of a female cell. The male cell consist of the X and Y chromosomes where the female sex consist of X and X chromosomes."<br /><br />The gender similarities hypothesis refers to psychological variables. The discussion here, therefore, is about psychological similarities and differences. Nobody is denying the chromosomal difference between men and women. It's just not what's being discussed.<br /><br />"Apart from the physical differences, hormonal composition differs between the male and female sexes. For instance, females have higher estrogen while their male counterparts have higher testosterone."<br /><br />Yes, but Hyde never asserted that there would be absolutely no differences in male/female psychology or biology if the gender similarities hypothesis were true. She said quote "most, but not all" psychological variables. There will be large differences, as shown even in the post, but these differences are the exception rather than the norm.<br /><br />"If this hypothesis is accepted by everyone to be true, how do transgender individuals feel so strongly about the need to be identified as the opposite sex?"<br /><br />See my above response, but transgenderism is about gender identity, not sex identity. There are social ramifications to possessing certain genitalia that we refer to as "gender." Transgender individuals identify with a different gender than what is associated with their sex. "Man and woman" versus "Male and female." Men and women could be 100% identical in all psychological variables, and yet there could still be different social expectations for men and women, and thus transgenderism would still find validation.<br /><br />"If the genders are similar, then there should not be any individual or individuals wanting to go extreme lengths to reassign their gender identities."<br /><br />Why not? Similar does not mean identical. It doesn't matter how similar or different we are at a psychological level. We as a society have deemed that individuals of different sexes have different roles and capabilities in modern life. When we live out said roles, this is where gender identity comes from.<br /><br />"Hyde examined a factor such as aggression and concluded that males tend to be more physically aggressive while women hold a stereotype of more "relational aggression". Hyde may see a similarity here but I see a difference since the level of an aggressive behavior is directly linked to the hormone called testosterone."<br /><br />You've misunderstood Hyde's findings. Hyde didn't make the argument that because men and women both hold a stereotype for aggression (of different types) that it supports the gender similarities hypothesis. She examined physical and relational aggression as separate factors and found that while there is a substantial gender difference in physical aggression, the gender difference in relational aggression is small. In short, physical aggression fits as a "difference" while relational aggression fits as a "similarity."<br /><br />On testosterone, Archer (the author of one of the studies in the Aggression segment) conducted a review back in 1991 on the relationship between testosterone and aggression. He argues that reporting measures make a great difference in how strong the correlation is, and that testosterone levels can also be altered by the result of an aggressive interaction, thus confounding any correlational studies. You can find that study here:<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2029601<br /><br />While your testosterone claim was immaterial to the discussion, I felt the need to address it because, despite common misconception, the link between testosterone and aggression is unclear.Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-49332974840823661982015-08-27T00:29:11.372-04:002015-08-27T00:29:11.372-04:00I am very surprise at Hyde’s conclusion that contr...I am very surprise at Hyde’s conclusion that contrary to popular belief, men and women are much more similar to each other than they are different. I am still not sold on Hyde’s gender similarities hypothesis because from a biological standpoint the components of a male cell differ from that of a female cell. The male cell consist of the X and Y chromosomes where the female sex consist of X and X chromosomes. Apart from the physical differences, hormonal composition differs between the male and female sexes. For instance, females have higher estrogen while their male counterparts have higher testosterone. <br />If this hypothesis is accepted by everyone to be true, how do transgender individuals feel so strongly about the need to be identified as the opposite sex? If the genders are similar, then there should not be any individual or individuals wanting to go extreme lengths to reassign their gender identities. <br />Hyde examined a factor such as aggression and concluded that males tend to be more physically aggressive while women hold a stereotype of more "relational aggression". Hyde may see a similarity here but I see a difference since the level of an aggressive behavior is directly linked to the hormone called testosterone. As noted above, the male counterpart possesses higher testetarone hence the aggressive behavior. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361988135330370319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-58633042558686322942015-08-26T20:43:35.564-04:002015-08-26T20:43:35.564-04:00It's okay! Citation Eagly & Crowley (1986)...It's okay! Citation Eagly & Crowley (1986) and Eagly (2009); males tend to be more helpful in observational studies (d = 0.34), however this is largely affected by study design and, of course, context. The gender difference is larger in scenarios involving potential danger, and also when reliant on peer observations. The gender difference shrinks when the subject is alone. This might reflect an appeasement of societal expectations: Men want to play the hero when someone can see them being the hero.Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-68129654536531569352015-08-26T20:09:31.091-04:002015-08-26T20:09:31.091-04:00Sorry that it took me so long to comment on the ar...Sorry that it took me so long to comment on the article. I just couldn't think of anything for a while (and I still can't), so instead I'll ask out of curiosity: What were the differences for helping behavior?Gastonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02604409381534111646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-70020003143107036412015-08-24T14:49:34.749-04:002015-08-24T14:49:34.749-04:00"Can a person who shows more negative emotion..."Can a person who shows more negative emotions and hubristic pride in a day than the average person still not have a mental disorder?"<br /><br />Absolutely! I'd seldom argue that just because someone in a single instance of the day exhibited some kind of behavior that seems narcissistic, that that makes them a narcissist; similarly I'd never argue that just because I see a college male pounding their chest in their dorm room, that that makes them a gorilla. That requires plenty more evidence to prove. Luckily for the latter example we have said evidence.<br /><br />"Your example is something like I had in mind, as though children might associate adult males and females with certain qualities which might affect how they react."<br /><br />Okay, then yeah I think it's possible to some extent, but I still believe that children require a bit of time before they start trying to compartmentalize information as "boys do this, girls do that," especially when it comes to adults. Children tend to either individualize overtly "only Mrs. Person does this, but not Mrs. People" or generalize greatly "all adults are like Mrs. Person."Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-3897485299129394512015-08-24T14:34:13.514-04:002015-08-24T14:34:13.514-04:00Thanks for the reply! I hadn't pieced together...Thanks for the reply! I hadn't pieced together that shame, guilt, and hubris are all egocentric in that manner - that would make more sense of the data. Can a person who shows more negative emotions and hubristic pride in a day than the average person still not have a mental disorder? (Referring back to what you said a few sentences back).<br /><br />Gah, I know I said better behaved, but I didn't mean that it was more positive, but rather what they might have thought the adults around them would think is better behavior, or what you said, behavior expected of them. I realized how that came off though, sorry about that. Interesting results indeed...<br /><br />Yeah, I didn't mean consciously necessarily, though either might be interesting if there were results to consistently show these trends. Yeah! Your example is something like I had in mind, as though children might associate adult males and females with certain qualities which might affect how they react. I know it was probably a stretch and most likely never going to be relevant in such a study, but there always seems to be so much to consider in topics such as these and I really wanted your input on it anyway.<br /><br />I really hope you do, and I would expect as much if so. The specifics are probably going to be just as interesting!Mykalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723809909171053855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-74875900972650893102015-08-24T14:08:51.777-04:002015-08-24T14:08:51.777-04:00Thank you Mykala! It's definitely interesting ...Thank you Mykala! It's definitely interesting to see how the data fits with people's expectations. Reaction to some of these data alone can help display real world examples of gender stereotypes. It's not a far step to then see how it could affect someone's behavior.<br /><br />There were a lot of seemingly contradictory points in the review, like how women show more hubristic pride but men are more likely to be narcissists AND that women show more guilt and shame. The former can be explained by reasoning that just because someone shows certain personality traits doesn't mean they should be deemed to have a mental disorder -- women may have more hubris, but perhaps men cross the threshold more often. As for the latter, all I can say is that guilt, shame and hubris are all egocentric and mostly internalized traits. Someone who is stuck in their own worldview would probably experience a lot of guilt and shame for things they've done, but only because they're self-centered. You could also say that the negative emotions and the hubristic pride all take up more portions of daily emotional expression than the average person, i.e. they have fewer moments where they're "neutral."<br /><br />Well to be fair, we can't assume the reason why the results changed when adults were present. I think what the study showed is that children are more likely to behave in the way that's expected of them when adults are present. Not exactly "better behaved," but act the way they think they should. Again this is contradictory since while girls experienced more internalized emotions when adults were present, they also apparently have higher effortful control. You'd think it'd be the opposite.<br /><br />I don't know that the children would really care what the gender of the adult(s) was/were, at least not consciously. I think it takes a certain age to be able to truly identify with an adult just because they're of the same sex as you. It's quite possible, however, that past experiences might lead the children to expect certain levels of understanding or accommodation depending on the gender of the adult. If they think female teachers are more accommodating, maybe having a female teacher allows them to relax more? Who knows?<br /><br />Thanks for your comment! I may get back into this, but it'll probably be much more specific than what was covered here.Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-31040612386897673762015-08-24T13:28:19.285-04:002015-08-24T13:28:19.285-04:00Nice work, Lex! Like many others, I am too surpris...Nice work, Lex! Like many others, I am too surprised at some of these findings, but even that fact may be explained as a product of my environment. It's interesting how women show slightly more hubristic pride while women also show more guilt and shame. Not that pride and guilt/shame are exact opposites, but you can get what I mean.<br /><br />Whenever adults were present and the results changed, I'm assuming that probably showed that the children altered how expressive they were, like for internalizing emotions, in order to look like they were better behaved in front of adults. I wouldn't know how much of a difference it would make, but just out of curiosity, do you think the gender of the adult/adults present would affect how differently the boys and girls would have internalized their emotions? Like, do girls maybe internalize their emotions less with adult women but more with adult men, or vice versa for boys, or even something different? Just a thought I had.<br /><br />The relational aggression section was really intriguing, too, even though the trend isn't very large overall. Most of the section about sex isn't very surprising for me, which I'm glad for; I can wonder how they might change and see if in the future, any disparities might decrease more and more.<br /><br />Again, nice job there! I hope you dabble back into the topic some time in the future! :)Mykalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723809909171053855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-89032108214372459362015-08-24T10:30:50.107-04:002015-08-24T10:30:50.107-04:00Thanks for reading, but I think you may be off Dac...Thanks for reading, but I think you may be off Dack. Besides pride, men and women are mostly similar when it comes to sexual attitudes and behaviors, while you believed men think about sex a lot more often. In terms of emotions while you were right about there being a disparity, it seems to be a product of environment. And overall you said that men and women were more different than similar -- it isn't so.<br /><br />It's important to remember that "similar" does not mean "identical." For example a disparity of 0.1: It doesn't mean that the genders are equal for this factor, but they are very similar. As a general rule it would be the case that being more different than similar is anything over 0.5 or under -0.5, although that's an undue assumption in itself and has a lot more nuance.Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-59030871118876458732015-08-24T02:54:10.040-04:002015-08-24T02:54:10.040-04:00Good read.....For the most part all of this pretty...Good read.....For the most part all of this pretty much confirms what I already thought with minor differences from my opinion of the differences and similarities of both sexes psychologically. I guess the only thing that was contrary to my own opinion was the PRIDE part. I thought men would have had more hubristic pride than women. Mostly everything else though corresponded with what i thought especially attention and inhibitory control. Anyways thanks for the read and hope you can find time to put together anotherAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03815500165799940491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-67545078622621869052015-08-23T22:57:08.225-04:002015-08-23T22:57:08.225-04:00It is, especially since men qualify for narcissist...It is, especially since men qualify for narcissistic personality disorder more often than women do. The researchers would be able to tell the same way they grade any measure of typical pride versus narcissism. Pride is only hubristic (i.e. narcissistic) when it qualifies under DSM criteria. For example I believe the studies in question mostly measured it using SCID-I and SCID-II depending on the year, (the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM Disorders). I'll generously assume that for most if not all of the studies in question, they used clinical tests to test for such personality traits.Alexis Delanoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507261330011665079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1401164853017483440.post-74810439174498477222015-08-23T22:54:45.003-04:002015-08-23T22:54:45.003-04:00[Imported from Google+]
Women having more hubrist...[Imported from Google+]<br /><br />Women having more hubristic pride on average really surprised me. Only thing is, how would the researchers be able to tell between "authentic" and "hubristic" pride?El Único Y Verdadero Mazueranoreply@blogger.com